While Robert has been the scape goat for everything thus far I don't really like his actions in this chapter. for myself I pictured Robert as a scrawny guy that could be kicked around because of all the ridicule he's been taking in this book. Also I forgot all about his boxing championship so when he whipped out on Jake, Mike and Roberto I was shocked. Robert's anger seems to be his downfall to everything. Which brings me to my next question, why did Hemingway narrate this story from Jake's point of view when Robert's story is the main story line?
My respect for Brett grew as I learned of her old husband that "Always made Brett sleep on the floor. Finally when he got really bad he used to tell her he'd kill her" (page 207). Although Brett is still a tease and treats people horribly at least now she has a reason. I can't imagine her thought process after Robert came busting in, with his macho self. Must of been a great big turn off.
Finally what was with the Jake's stream of consciousness? (from page 196 pausing for the dialogue with Bill and Robert and picking up on page 199). Thanks to Hemingway's great description I know how hard Jake was hit on the head. I mean he couldn't climb stairs and he sat in a bathtub without being able to turn the water on. Crazy
Wednesday, June 30, 2010
L is for the way Brett looks at me- XVI
O is she's the only girl I see
V is she's very merry and extraordinary
and E is even though she can't stay with me alone
Okay the pressure is on. Robert and Mike are duking out their love for Brett (with Jake sitting on the sidelines trying to keep the peace...somewhat). This seems to be the the highest climax and external conflict in this book. Hemingway just focuses his entire plot line on the relationship of the characters. Mike feels threatened by Robert, and apparently Roberto. So he takes it out on Robert telling him to go away. Robert thinks that he's still got a chance, and seems to enjoy the fact that he's making Mike nervous. Brett needs to gain her self respect by sleeping with her lover Roberto. She claims that she never gets what she wants but let's be realistic this girl is used to getting what she wants all the time.
Jake seems to take a step back from Brett at this point and doesn't even seem upset when she leaves with Roberto. I love the passion he shows for bullfighting, making sure to protect Roberto from the Americans (I guess we ruin everything).
After reading this chapter I find that relationship is another major theme in this book, along with the war, and loss of manhood
V is she's very merry and extraordinary
and E is even though she can't stay with me alone
Okay the pressure is on. Robert and Mike are duking out their love for Brett (with Jake sitting on the sidelines trying to keep the peace...somewhat). This seems to be the the highest climax and external conflict in this book. Hemingway just focuses his entire plot line on the relationship of the characters. Mike feels threatened by Robert, and apparently Roberto. So he takes it out on Robert telling him to go away. Robert thinks that he's still got a chance, and seems to enjoy the fact that he's making Mike nervous. Brett needs to gain her self respect by sleeping with her lover Roberto. She claims that she never gets what she wants but let's be realistic this girl is used to getting what she wants all the time.
Jake seems to take a step back from Brett at this point and doesn't even seem upset when she leaves with Roberto. I love the passion he shows for bullfighting, making sure to protect Roberto from the Americans (I guess we ruin everything).
After reading this chapter I find that relationship is another major theme in this book, along with the war, and loss of manhood
Tuesday, June 29, 2010
The Pure Bullfight-XV
Hemmingway has a way of lading his reader with description. To be quite honest I was a little bored of the fiesta by the time he was through with it. It was interrupting my normal reading pace, and it made me tired. It was to much
I really liked Roberto though. He is a bull fighter, and is good at what he does. He's pure, clean, and doesn't exaggerate his skills. Honestly he seems the most put together in this book. Mike and Brett are off in their own world. Robert is stuck up and upset at Mike. Jake is kind of thrown together with people he should leave behind that are tying him down and Bill is a bit on the drunk side. Although Roberto is a flat character (at least in this chapter) he serves as a sort of foil to every other character in this book. It makes him more pure, more put together, and apparently more handsome.
I really liked Roberto though. He is a bull fighter, and is good at what he does. He's pure, clean, and doesn't exaggerate his skills. Honestly he seems the most put together in this book. Mike and Brett are off in their own world. Robert is stuck up and upset at Mike. Jake is kind of thrown together with people he should leave behind that are tying him down and Bill is a bit on the drunk side. Although Roberto is a flat character (at least in this chapter) he serves as a sort of foil to every other character in this book. It makes him more pure, more put together, and apparently more handsome.
Monday, June 28, 2010
You Could not be Upset About Anything on a Day like That-XIV
"Enjoying living was learning to get your money's worth and knowing when you had it" (page 152) This is the entire theme of this chapter. Of course the "money" isn't just real money but other world values like time, laughter, anger, fighting, sadness ect. but I'm glad Jake expresses his disgust towards his "swell" friendship with Brett. I just found this thought to be overall depressing but enlightening at the same time. While drunk Jake is depressed about this observation, having this thought presented to me calls me to live my life fuller. To get my money's worth.
Another interesting observation is Jake's desire to have Mike make fun of/beat Robert up. He doesn't want to admit it but he wants Robert to suffer. Think of the time both Robert and Jake are wasting on this girl. Terrible
Another interesting observation is Jake's desire to have Mike make fun of/beat Robert up. He doesn't want to admit it but he wants Robert to suffer. Think of the time both Robert and Jake are wasting on this girl. Terrible
Nothing built to last-XIII
Jake must leave the fishing paradise, a place he was accepted and wasn't made fun of, to go and join Brett and the company with her. Bill and Jake leave their fishing pal Harris behind and go and join Brett, Mike and Robert. I thought that Jake was losing all of the feeling of acceptance that he had finally got, but it seems like he has some Spanish buddies to hang out with. I felt like I knew the secret rules of a club as the entire description of the aficionado (page 136) came out. This entire passage that Hemingway spends on the africiondo gives a connotation of ...masculinity. I mean I think the bull fighting is only a step into the passion of aficionado. You have to walk the walk, talk the talk and if you're a bull fighter hope your picture stays out of the desk drawer of Montoya. Although Jake has trouble convincing the natives that he to has aficionado, Jake seems to bring pride to the fact that he is in this group.
Jake is also forgiven of his friends and honestly Mike Brett and Robert weren't fun to be with either. Mike goes on and on about his medal story (found on page 139- 140) but he never talks about the war itself. I almost question his involvement in the wars he's in because he never speaks of actual warfare when he talks about the war he only speaks of effects of the war. Brett doesn't actually do anything wrong but it creeps me out that she wanted to she the steer ripped apart "Don't look I said to Brett. She was watching fascinated" (page 144). Then there's the entire rip on Robert given by Mike's drunken state (found on page 146-148). This shows the further foil between Jake and Mike, earlier in the book Jake was upset with Robert but only complained to Bill. Mike becomes a butt and calls Robert a Jew among many other things.
I don't care how much pardon Jake is given with his aficionado, he should dump these losers!
Jake is also forgiven of his friends and honestly Mike Brett and Robert weren't fun to be with either. Mike goes on and on about his medal story (found on page 139- 140) but he never talks about the war itself. I almost question his involvement in the wars he's in because he never speaks of actual warfare when he talks about the war he only speaks of effects of the war. Brett doesn't actually do anything wrong but it creeps me out that she wanted to she the steer ripped apart "Don't look I said to Brett. She was watching fascinated" (page 144). Then there's the entire rip on Robert given by Mike's drunken state (found on page 146-148). This shows the further foil between Jake and Mike, earlier in the book Jake was upset with Robert but only complained to Bill. Mike becomes a butt and calls Robert a Jew among many other things.
I don't care how much pardon Jake is given with his aficionado, he should dump these losers!
Friday, June 18, 2010
The Sleeping Sun-XII
I really liked this chapter. Perhaps I'm just a sucker for hurt characters but I hated how Jake was pushed down in every chapter with the exception of this chapter and the last chapter. Jake and Bill (and the reader) actually get to know each other through other through conversation between Jake and Bill (or indirect characterization). There are several topics of conversation in this chapter but the two I'm going to hit right now is Jake and the overall Anti-Catholic feeling in this book.
Jake finally talks to someone about his wound besides Brett (although Bill's impotent comment makes me suspect that the chaps having been talking about it behind Jake's back). My heart really goes out to Bill, he doesn't push Jake down or make fun of him. In fact he turns around and tells Jake that he's a great guy and that he loves him either way (not in a sexual way of course), this little heart to heart can be found on page 120-121. He then goes into the sexual desires of the civil war, which I found somewhat funny. He never makes fun of Jake and I think in that action alone he and Jake become better friends.
Now on a completely different topic lets try to find why Hemmingway puts down Catholics throughout this book. It begins with the annoying Catholics on the train, then Jake's self pity in that Church pew. Finally in this chapter they kind of make fun of the faith found on page 126-128. Going back to Hemmingway's Wikipedia page and the back of the book I've found that he had been Catholic before his service in the army but then he stopped. Perhaps that's what he's showing here. It just seems like Jake and Bill are uncomfortable with the Catholic faith. Just thought I would point that out.
Jake finally talks to someone about his wound besides Brett (although Bill's impotent comment makes me suspect that the chaps having been talking about it behind Jake's back). My heart really goes out to Bill, he doesn't push Jake down or make fun of him. In fact he turns around and tells Jake that he's a great guy and that he loves him either way (not in a sexual way of course), this little heart to heart can be found on page 120-121. He then goes into the sexual desires of the civil war, which I found somewhat funny. He never makes fun of Jake and I think in that action alone he and Jake become better friends.
Now on a completely different topic lets try to find why Hemmingway puts down Catholics throughout this book. It begins with the annoying Catholics on the train, then Jake's self pity in that Church pew. Finally in this chapter they kind of make fun of the faith found on page 126-128. Going back to Hemmingway's Wikipedia page and the back of the book I've found that he had been Catholic before his service in the army but then he stopped. Perhaps that's what he's showing here. It just seems like Jake and Bill are uncomfortable with the Catholic faith. Just thought I would point that out.
Eat Drink and be Merry-XI
Throughout this chapter I find peace. Robert leaves and Bill and Jake are left on a bus in a wonderful country side. They drink a lot of wine (although nothing as hard as the liquor in Paris). The chapter is filled with local color with a tone of peace. They drink with the locals and travel on a bus that is rather nice. Although their hotel is expensive they mend this problem with the amount of wine they drink. I can't help but yearn for this Spanish countryside (Kate and Kahle are enjoying it I'm sure). "We were going through farming country with rocky hills that sloped down into the fields. The grain-fields went up the hillsides...A stream went through the centre of the town and fields of grapes touched the house (page 111).... These were not like the brown, heat baked mountains we had left behind. These were wooded and there were clouds coming down from them. The green plain stretched off. It was cut by fences and the white of the road showed through the trunks of a double line of trees that crossed the plain towards the north (page 114)" This rather lengthy description is a break of Hemmingway's habit of describing in short sentences and leaving the rest to the reader's imagination. This chapter is just nice in the way that it stands away from the rest with a tone of peace and drinking, not sex and alcoholism.
Thursday, June 17, 2010
Damn Nice-X
"Cohn had a wonderful quality of bringing out the worst in anybody" (page 104). While Bill (another drunk) and Jake meet Robert for their fishing trip they can't help but be annoyed by the guy. Robert can't figure out that Brett doesn't like him anymore, so he acts like he knows everything about her. Even when she's sick (known from the telegram) he "knows" that she's staying for him. The thing of it is, is that he's wrong and he's annoying Jake and Bill about it. Jake is jealous I'm sure, then Bill just seems to be a good friend to Jake and dislikes Robert for him. What I think Robert fails to understand is that Brett doesn't like him anymore. He doesn't understand the lifestyle of Brett and the others. The entire crew likes and hates him for this fact, Bill even calling him "damn nice" (and oxymoron, literary term for the win) (page 107). They like Robert but with this attitude everyone likes to see him fail (hence Jake going to the train station and Bill and Jake leaving him behind at the end of the chapter)
I think this chapter does a great job of separating Robert from the rest by the way Bill and Jake pick on him, and the "superior knowledge" Robert has makes him really stand away from the others.
I think this chapter does a great job of separating Robert from the rest by the way Bill and Jake pick on him, and the "superior knowledge" Robert has makes him really stand away from the others.
I'm on a Train-IX
For a chapter or two I thought Robert was gone, but this man is here to stay. Brett and Mike are coming on the trip ready to fish with their fancy poles (of course Brett won't fish, she's to much of a lady). What I find in this chapter is a bit of irony or really some dramatic irony. Brett and Jake are walking along (page 89 to 90), and Brett mentions that she spent some time with Robert (does this lady ever sleep?) She doesn't find this fact awkward at all, and thinks it's good for him. What I find to be dramatically ironic is that she's talking to Jake, someone to be completely in love with her. Also it's ironic because Robert doesn't function that way, he needs the support system to succeed.
Other than that this felt like a filler chapter
Other than that this felt like a filler chapter
Wednesday, June 16, 2010
I'll make a man out of you-VIII
Right from the start this chapter opens with Jake being alone. Brett leaves with the reason that it would be best for the two of them. Robert and Frances had gone their separate ways (go Robert!). However Robert wishes to fish with Jake.
Jake meets up with Bill, an old friend that's at least been to the states. They probably met in the war because that seems to be the center of everyone's life. Bill has really weird stories that I'm sure mean something but I honestly gave up reading them. Any who Brett and Mike randomly pops up (I don't think Jake knew she was back). This is the point of the chapter that I felt the worst for Jake, Mike is really horny in this chapter (the scene found on page 85). So Jake who is feeling down is shown just how much he's missing and quickly leaves with Bill 9the icky taxidermist) to a fight.
One final side note, the restaurant that Bill and Jake go to that is packed with American people is serving American food (roast chicken, green beans, mashed potatoes a salad, and some apple pie and cheese). I don't understand why Americans would eat American food in Paris. What a waste
Jake meets up with Bill, an old friend that's at least been to the states. They probably met in the war because that seems to be the center of everyone's life. Bill has really weird stories that I'm sure mean something but I honestly gave up reading them. Any who Brett and Mike randomly pops up (I don't think Jake knew she was back). This is the point of the chapter that I felt the worst for Jake, Mike is really horny in this chapter (the scene found on page 85). So Jake who is feeling down is shown just how much he's missing and quickly leaves with Bill 9the icky taxidermist) to a fight.
One final side note, the restaurant that Bill and Jake go to that is packed with American people is serving American food (roast chicken, green beans, mashed potatoes a salad, and some apple pie and cheese). I don't understand why Americans would eat American food in Paris. What a waste
To Tromper-VII
Well even though Brett stood Jake up she still manages to bring Mike to his apartment. Mike is the a large foil against Jake. It starts with Brett pointing out that Mike is a better dancer than Jake (a paraphrase from page 69) but if one were to look closely they could see the many differences of the two.
While Jake shrugs off the war and it's effects, Mike embraces it. He finds his true lifestyle after being in 7 wars and 4 revolutions. While Jake lives in a life of wandering, Mike "has lived very much that I now can enjoy everything so well." Another difference in these characters is their shown feelings towards Brett. While Jake can beg and plead in private he never really shows affection towards Brett (an example of this is when the 3 of them are talking in Jake's apartment and Mike claims Brett has "class all over her" page 64)
One a completely different topic let us examine the little talk between Brett and Jake. This starts once the count leaves (even though Jake claims he's not the problem). Jake asked Brett "couldn't we just live together Brett? Couldn't we just live together?" to which Brett replies "I don't think so I would just tromper with everybody. You couldn't stand it"
For all of those who don't take French tromper means to commit adultery. What is this madness? Why can't Brett either leave or stay with Jake. She's making his life terrible by playing with his emotions, I mean look how she leaves him. Although she doesn't allow him to her room, she allows him to kiss her. Furthermore why can't Brett try to be with Jake. Sure they can't run all the bases, but they can come really close. Just because Jake can't have sex doesn't mean he doesn't want to.
While Jake shrugs off the war and it's effects, Mike embraces it. He finds his true lifestyle after being in 7 wars and 4 revolutions. While Jake lives in a life of wandering, Mike "has lived very much that I now can enjoy everything so well." Another difference in these characters is their shown feelings towards Brett. While Jake can beg and plead in private he never really shows affection towards Brett (an example of this is when the 3 of them are talking in Jake's apartment and Mike claims Brett has "class all over her" page 64)
One a completely different topic let us examine the little talk between Brett and Jake. This starts once the count leaves (even though Jake claims he's not the problem). Jake asked Brett "couldn't we just live together Brett? Couldn't we just live together?" to which Brett replies "I don't think so I would just tromper with everybody. You couldn't stand it"
For all of those who don't take French tromper means to commit adultery. What is this madness? Why can't Brett either leave or stay with Jake. She's making his life terrible by playing with his emotions, I mean look how she leaves him. Although she doesn't allow him to her room, she allows him to kiss her. Furthermore why can't Brett try to be with Jake. Sure they can't run all the bases, but they can come really close. Just because Jake can't have sex doesn't mean he doesn't want to.
Monday, June 14, 2010
France's mean defense mechanism-VI
Well Jake got stood up by Brett (shocker), then gave out money to his really rude friend Harvey, who seems to have trouble with money and feels like he's a cat.
Frances on the other hand is experiencing something...she can't have Robert! I'm guessing she thought her crying dependent boy toy would wait for her, but sure was she wrong. I don't think Robert is wrong leaving her, Frances treats him like garbage and he can't seem to write with her around (his livelihood). Even though France has to strike back at Robert with several blows to his reputation, I think Robert is right for leaving.
I wasn't shocked at all when Jake did nothing in this chapter. Our protagonist doesn't like to stand up to other people, and likes to stay out of their business. While that can be a bad thing, I think it works in this situation. Frances and Robert need to work this out themselves (although I think Frances would like the attention from other people)
Reasons I dislike Frances
-She likes to strike a person while they're down
-She's overly full of her self (she could of had any man!)
-She was willing to have children even if she dislikes them. I have a feeling this wouldn't end well (it's nice to know Robert's kids are alive though)
And as this novel grows I'm sure the list will grow as well
Frances on the other hand is experiencing something...she can't have Robert! I'm guessing she thought her crying dependent boy toy would wait for her, but sure was she wrong. I don't think Robert is wrong leaving her, Frances treats him like garbage and he can't seem to write with her around (his livelihood). Even though France has to strike back at Robert with several blows to his reputation, I think Robert is right for leaving.
I wasn't shocked at all when Jake did nothing in this chapter. Our protagonist doesn't like to stand up to other people, and likes to stay out of their business. While that can be a bad thing, I think it works in this situation. Frances and Robert need to work this out themselves (although I think Frances would like the attention from other people)
Reasons I dislike Frances
-She likes to strike a person while they're down
-She's overly full of her self (she could of had any man!)
-She was willing to have children even if she dislikes them. I have a feeling this wouldn't end well (it's nice to know Robert's kids are alive though)
And as this novel grows I'm sure the list will grow as well
Oh Silly Robert-V
First shock of this chapter, Brett aka Lady Brett Ashley aka the girl who I'm glad isn't next door to me is married! So she's getting a divorce, and that's all fine and dandy but surely she should wait just a wee bit before jumping back into the game with Mark.
Then you have Robert, the man who can't get over his lust for others and can't find love. Although I rather enjoyed the punish thing in the scene where Robert is ready to fling his afternoon snack found on page 47. "oh don't go to hell. I said. Stick around we're just starting lunch"
what madness. Not only does Robert lose his children ( I am not letting that go), he can't get over a lost trip in South America or his lust for Brett (the drunk apparently, even if she tried to stay away from liquor the first two chapters she's in)
What do you do with a drunken sailor?
Then you have Robert, the man who can't get over his lust for others and can't find love. Although I rather enjoyed the punish thing in the scene where Robert is ready to fling his afternoon snack found on page 47. "oh don't go to hell. I said. Stick around we're just starting lunch"
what madness. Not only does Robert lose his children ( I am not letting that go), he can't get over a lost trip in South America or his lust for Brett (the drunk apparently, even if she tried to stay away from liquor the first two chapters she's in)
What do you do with a drunken sailor?
Missing that last puzzle piece-IV
My, my this chapter is something else. At first I didn't really understand Brett and Jake but upon Jake's return home I came to a interesting realization. Jake is missing his treasure trove, lost it in the war (cough the theme of this book). This is why Brett can't be with him, even if she loves him. One would think that since their love is true, as it's certainly not set on any physical lust, then why can't Brett get over Jake's...loss? Certainly a external conflict between the two.
Brett feels bad for her behavior/ unwillingness to leave her night life. saying that it's "my fault. Don't we pay for all the things we do?" (page 34). Jake shakes off Brett's apologies and makes it seem that he doesn't care that this women is toying with his emotions. Once Brett is gone he shows his real feelings on page 38 "to hell with Brett, to hell with Lady Ashely". Jake then flashes back to the war and the commander that said he had "given up more than his life" (page 39). Gah what a terrible way to introduce the rising action of this book (although this might only be the beginning's of Jake's problems we are only in chapter 4). but so far Jake is crying himself to sleep over a girl that won't love him (thanks to the war taking it away), his friend is whining that he can't go home with anyone but his overpowering fiance and to top it off Brett has hooked up with a man and invites Jake along! The guy of course is "one of [them]" (page 40) whatever that means.
From an outside view this guy's life is a joke. If you don't believe me think of how funny we thought the eunuch was in the satire Candide. Although I'm sure we could come up with a couple of amusing epithets for this guy, let us not forget that he's CRYING himself to sleep and allowing to let people walk all over him
Poor Bloke
Brett feels bad for her behavior/ unwillingness to leave her night life. saying that it's "my fault. Don't we pay for all the things we do?" (page 34). Jake shakes off Brett's apologies and makes it seem that he doesn't care that this women is toying with his emotions. Once Brett is gone he shows his real feelings on page 38 "to hell with Brett, to hell with Lady Ashely". Jake then flashes back to the war and the commander that said he had "given up more than his life" (page 39). Gah what a terrible way to introduce the rising action of this book (although this might only be the beginning's of Jake's problems we are only in chapter 4). but so far Jake is crying himself to sleep over a girl that won't love him (thanks to the war taking it away), his friend is whining that he can't go home with anyone but his overpowering fiance and to top it off Brett has hooked up with a man and invites Jake along! The guy of course is "one of [them]" (page 40) whatever that means.
From an outside view this guy's life is a joke. If you don't believe me think of how funny we thought the eunuch was in the satire Candide. Although I'm sure we could come up with a couple of amusing epithets for this guy, let us not forget that he's CRYING himself to sleep and allowing to let people walk all over him
Poor Bloke
Sunday, June 13, 2010
Save the Last Dance for Me-III
So this chapter opens many cans of worms. First and foremost we learn a few things about Jake. His last name is Barnes, he likes to goof around and call random women his fiance, he has a war wound of some type (or his sickness). Actually (after reading up on Hemingway on Wikipedia) I learned that he was in WWI and while he was there he had an a relationship with a nurse, I found this very interesting. Anyways Jake hints at a theme I'm starting to grasp from the first three chapters and the back of the book "We could of probably have gone on and discussed the war and agreed it was in reality a calamity for civilization" (page 24-25). This "lost generation" is lost because of the war, and it seems that every character thus far introduced has been affected, although I can't find if Robert went into the army or not.. I know Jake did anyways.
We also see another little outburst from Robert in this chapter, he's unhappy in Paris (which slightly drunk Jake isn't amused by), but when Jake tries to confront him Frances tells him that Robert is "is still only a child" (page 29.) What the heck is wrong with Robert? He can't seem to function without the support of other people, and seems completely unable to handle other people.
Jake takes Robert's attitude in stride and meets up with Brett a seemingly beautiful Lady. Jake must know her from somewhere as they talk like old friends (which I really don't like the way this book handles dialogue but to each his own) Jake and Brett leave (Jake attempts to take care of his "fiance" and loses his money) and the chapter ends on a great cliffhanger! *dum dum duummmm*
I'm convinced that Robert's children were eaten by bears
We also see another little outburst from Robert in this chapter, he's unhappy in Paris (which slightly drunk Jake isn't amused by), but when Jake tries to confront him Frances tells him that Robert is "is still only a child" (page 29.) What the heck is wrong with Robert? He can't seem to function without the support of other people, and seems completely unable to handle other people.
Jake takes Robert's attitude in stride and meets up with Brett a seemingly beautiful Lady. Jake must know her from somewhere as they talk like old friends (which I really don't like the way this book handles dialogue but to each his own) Jake and Brett leave (Jake attempts to take care of his "fiance" and loses his money) and the chapter ends on a great cliffhanger! *dum dum duummmm*
I'm convinced that Robert's children were eaten by bears
Saturday, June 12, 2010
I'm So glad I'm not going through a mid-life crisis-II
Alright I feel slightly bad for Frances, and the amount of judgment I passed towards her. Sometimes I just need to keep my big mouth shut.
I think this chapter is Robert and Jake's call to adventure (a step in the hero cycle from way back when). Robert has come to America and he's "not so simple or not so nice" (page 16). He's lost his old chracteristics due to his success and in the process he becomes depressed. While he no longer has anyone to really push him around, I think Robert has suddenly realized that a free life still isn't good unless you do something with it. He attaches to books of adventure and pleasure in an attmept to make something of his life even if Jake warns hime that "You can't get away from yourself by moving from one place to another. there's nothing to that" (page 19). Robert claims that he's afraid of not living life, and Jake retorts with a line that "only bull fighters live life all the way" (page 18). A random side note, Hemingway wrote an entire book on Bull Fighting called Green Hills of Africa. So I found this line deep, yet interesting at the same time.
Poor Jake tried to get rid of Robert, but Robert only feel asleep in his chair. Being a stubborn person myself I understand Robert completely, but I don't really know why Robert is so keen on taking Jake. It sounds like they aren't really good friends, just mere friends who play tennis together and go camping together. I just wish that Robert would take a step back and look at the world around him. He's living an extremely well provided life and is failing to capture that world. I just don't understand why he wants to leave his world so badly ""What the hell Robert...what the hell" (page 19)
Run Jake, run as fast as your newspaper editing legs can carry you. Robert isn't looking for a trip, he's looking for a change in lifestyle. Although Jake might be a good candidate to help Robert, this doesn't seem like his cup of tea. Of course Jake is going to go on this trip with Robert, otherwise this story would be extrmely mundane, however I would like to point out that if a man on the verge of a midlife crisis came to me, I would have to spend a day or two weighing the state of mind this person is in. This is due to the fact that if Robert is slightly strange, then Jake will become strange if he stays with him.
Also I still haven't found Robert's children
I think this chapter is Robert and Jake's call to adventure (a step in the hero cycle from way back when). Robert has come to America and he's "not so simple or not so nice" (page 16). He's lost his old chracteristics due to his success and in the process he becomes depressed. While he no longer has anyone to really push him around, I think Robert has suddenly realized that a free life still isn't good unless you do something with it. He attaches to books of adventure and pleasure in an attmept to make something of his life even if Jake warns hime that "You can't get away from yourself by moving from one place to another. there's nothing to that" (page 19). Robert claims that he's afraid of not living life, and Jake retorts with a line that "only bull fighters live life all the way" (page 18). A random side note, Hemingway wrote an entire book on Bull Fighting called Green Hills of Africa. So I found this line deep, yet interesting at the same time.
Poor Jake tried to get rid of Robert, but Robert only feel asleep in his chair. Being a stubborn person myself I understand Robert completely, but I don't really know why Robert is so keen on taking Jake. It sounds like they aren't really good friends, just mere friends who play tennis together and go camping together. I just wish that Robert would take a step back and look at the world around him. He's living an extremely well provided life and is failing to capture that world. I just don't understand why he wants to leave his world so badly ""What the hell Robert...what the hell" (page 19)
Run Jake, run as fast as your newspaper editing legs can carry you. Robert isn't looking for a trip, he's looking for a change in lifestyle. Although Jake might be a good candidate to help Robert, this doesn't seem like his cup of tea. Of course Jake is going to go on this trip with Robert, otherwise this story would be extrmely mundane, however I would like to point out that if a man on the verge of a midlife crisis came to me, I would have to spend a day or two weighing the state of mind this person is in. This is due to the fact that if Robert is slightly strange, then Jake will become strange if he stays with him.
Also I still haven't found Robert's children
The Sun Also Rises- Chapter e uno-I
This chapter is what I would like to call a character EXPLOSION!
First there's Robert, mostly likely the protagonist or a side kick to the narrator of the story. He's self-conscious and is happy go lucky. If he didn't have his mother, boxing coach or wives to boss him around I'm sure someone like a taxi driver would fill that role because he's so shy and unwilling to make people angry. Personally I fell bad for Robert, a person no one seems to remember but I'm sure he'll change in some way
Then you have the narrator (Jake), who is spending his time playing tennis with Robert. Besides a few character quirks we really don't learn a lot about this fellow.
Next is Frances, a person I took a instant dislike to. She's a foil of Robert as she is everything he's not. She's a selfish control freak, and I hope she goes through a major change early in the book otherwise it's going to be like Rose of Sharron from the Grapes of Wrath all over again.
These are the few main characters but we also have Robert's 1st wife and coach to worry about.
My only question from the this chapter is: Where in the world did Robert's 3 children go? They are mentioned in one sentence and I can not figure it out.
So there you have it folks
First there's Robert, mostly likely the protagonist or a side kick to the narrator of the story. He's self-conscious and is happy go lucky. If he didn't have his mother, boxing coach or wives to boss him around I'm sure someone like a taxi driver would fill that role because he's so shy and unwilling to make people angry. Personally I fell bad for Robert, a person no one seems to remember but I'm sure he'll change in some way
Then you have the narrator (Jake), who is spending his time playing tennis with Robert. Besides a few character quirks we really don't learn a lot about this fellow.
Next is Frances, a person I took a instant dislike to. She's a foil of Robert as she is everything he's not. She's a selfish control freak, and I hope she goes through a major change early in the book otherwise it's going to be like Rose of Sharron from the Grapes of Wrath all over again.
These are the few main characters but we also have Robert's 1st wife and coach to worry about.
My only question from the this chapter is: Where in the world did Robert's 3 children go? They are mentioned in one sentence and I can not figure it out.
So there you have it folks
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